Donna Hann
Sophie Bretag is an incredible woman who helps leaders and people in the workplace to show up in every moment with their whole heart as a whole human, with all the fields being authentic and aligned to your values, her businesses called meta leaders, and it's all about embracing kindness as a superpower to create a more joyful world for everyone. Today, she joins me on the podcast to share her thoughts and tips for creating cultures of kindness in the workplace, in your home, and in your heart.
Donna Hann
Hello, I'm Donna Hann, a business coach, and an online course creator. And this is the She's in Business podcast. You can think of me as your business bestie, who's a few steps ahead of where you are right now. As a mum fueled with ambition and determination, I've created and sold three businesses. I've learned the lessons made mistakes, and I understand the daily juggle in the hustle. I also know what it's like when relationships fray and burnout taps you on the shoulder. That was my world until I reshaped and transformed the way I ran my six figure business. Today I help women to transform their businesses and go from being the overwhelmed entrepreneur to becoming the thriving entrepreneur feeling energized, empowered and fulfilled within their business lifestyle. I want to inspire your business journey and help you to stop spinning your wheels, because I want you to burn bright instead of burning out. And I'll invite other entrepreneurs to share their real life stories too, because I want you to know that you're not alone. You can be the savvy entrepreneur that you were born to be, and enjoy the freedom to do the things and be present with the people that mean the most to you. So if you're ready to rise to the next level and build a business by design, this is the shears in business podcast for moms who are made for more
Donna Hann
Tt's your business buddy Donna Hann back again for another episode of the She's in Business podcast. And today. I'm joined by Sophie Bretag, welcome Soph.
Sophie
Thanks so much, Donna. It's so lovely to be here. I'm glad we could make this happen.
Donna Hann
Yeah, me too. And we were chatting just before hitting record. And I was telling you about, I was thinking about how I came across you. And I'm pretty sure it was just kind of randomly on Instagram, perhaps you just appeared in my feed. I didn't know. But the universe was certainly giving me a nudge that I needed to cross paths with you. And I'm really excited about talking to you today. Because you seem to be from the outside looking in. So 100% comfortable with who you are and your purpose for bringing more kindness into the world into workplaces and people's homes and people's hearts. And I want to have more of that in my life. And also, I want the listeners of this podcast to have more of that and to get to know you. So I'd love to start by inviting you to share a little bit about you and your business journey and how you came to be a business owner. Your business is called metta leaders. And you know how you've really leaned into becoming a speaker and a consultant in that area of self love and kindness and all of that good stuff. Yeah,
Sophie
All the lush stuff. Thank you. Look, no, no journey is ever a straight line, as we were saying, you know, offline before and having the courage to step in to your own mission, your own purpose, your own passion, certainly takes a lot of courage, and a lot of hard work and a lot of self belief. But really something that has been super important for me has been a community and making sure that I have a beautiful community of humans who have either been on the journey before me, or who are on the journey with me or who I can help bring on the journey. So I feel like that has really assisted me to create the business of my dreams. Like I'm just Yes, I'm obsessed with. I just feel so lucky. And I you know, I say that not flippantly because you know, you can always be like, I'm so blessed. I'm so lucky, you know, and on the inside, you're actually dying. No, I genuinely love what I do every day. But this is not what I do 100% of the time. So I guess I wanted to make it clear to your community and your listeners that my journey hasn't been a really straightforward one where I sort of was working in corporate and then went, Oh, I'm going to start a business and then next minute I started a business and bang it was it was going gangbusters. That did not happen at all. I had a seed of the idea probably two to three years prior to actually making the decision to register my business name, which was really one of the I don't know whether you felt the same when you registered your business name, and you kind of went, Oh my gosh, it's actually I'm actually doing it. This is amazing. And I was like, oh, and I remember getting the piece of paper. And I was like, it was really like a big transition of working through, you know, limiting beliefs, working through how did I want to show up in the world working through what did I really want to have as my left legacy and what set my soul on fire?
Sophie
What did I feel like I could do or that I was already doing in my current position that I really wanted to expand on and touch more people with. And so coming from a corporate human resource background, working in aged care, and loved the sector, still love the sector, it's a really tough sector as a lot of health care. Areas are to work in, because you've got people taking care of vulnerable people. And then you have COVID land on top of that. And it was an interesting time. And, but really looking at what was missing and what I wasn't able to provide to our teams as the sole HR people, culture manager, there were gaps of things that I knew that people needed and that they were craving and that they wanted. And I could only do so much in that position, because I managed a team of 40 people. And I was reporting to a board of directors. And not only did I have, you know, the HR side of things, but I had a whole lot of different things that I had to take care of, as well. So I really looked at what were the gaps. I missed, did like a gap analysis on my work, and then looked at what were my, what was my skill set? What did I love, and then what could I create more of by starting my own business.
Sophie
So I actually stayed in corporate, probably for two years as I was developing my business. And then I made the break in 2021, from full time to then going right, I'm going to become an HR consultant. And I'm still one today, which I still love doing. Because it blends really well with the well being and kindness and connection work that I do. But I feel like people, if they're on the journey, or they're starting the journey, or they're thinking about the journey, to know that it's okay to take small steps, you don't have to be all in throw in the towel on you know the thing that that's bringing your income in, because often you're not going to make money straightaway in your and you have to be prepared to not make money and put yourself out there again and again and again and again, and potentially still not get paid. And you can't live on that. So what I've done is just make sure that I've got my consulting work, which I still love that brings in my income. And actually someone said something really interesting to me the other day, because I heard I was on this is actually on a coaching call and not I was I was being coached with the group. And one of the ladies said, I'm so sick of having to work, you know, my corporate job, I just want to do my side hustle, because it's what I love. And it's really, you know, it's really annoying me, it's upsetting me. And I'm feel like I can't give enough space to thing I want to do. And this coach said something that stuck with me. And she said, think about your job that's bringing in the income as an investment. So it's like an investor in your side hustle. So it's giving you the funds to be able to then do more of what you love. And then hopefully, eventually, you can reduce that down and then keep doing more of what you love and what you have what you're passionate about. So it's a journey. It's a big journey.
Sophie
It really is a journey. And I love that you said that you kind of did a gap analysis because I remember doing exactly that, too. So my previous I've had a couple of businesses, my previous business was actually a dance studio. And I loved it. It was great. I had it set up in a way that it really was looking after itself, obviously with my team leading that but it was an incredible business and I loved it. But I've reached the point where the word gaps for me and in the decision in selling that business and starting this business, there was that gap enough analysis is like how can I do more of what I love? How do I help people more in the area that I know that I'm really here for and what does that look like? And it's really interesting, I think when you do that, and I also challenge my clients that I work with inside a ready to rise program, and also privately like with private clients about what is what are those things like what are your core values? What are your strengths and weaknesses? What can you give more to the world? What do you need more support we have like and coming at it from that perspective is a really different way of building your business. I think you know not to say but other ways are, you know, not as good or anything like that. But when it's when you're coming from a real place of intentionality in building a business from that. It's so powerful.
Donna Hann
I think that's about part driven business. So I'm listening to you talk and watching you light up. And it's about what's what's driving you from your heart. First.
Donna Hann
Yeah. So one of the things that thank you so much actually for, for jumping to the next question and for sharing about your business journey, I think it's important for people to know that it isn't a straight line that it takes time for it to, you know, the seed to grow, as you said, you plant that seed like two years before you really jumped in with both feet. And it does take that time, but I take takes a lot of courage to doesn't it? It really does. When we're talking about marketing, in particular. And they'll say, Wow, but there's already somebody doing that. Or there's already like, I feel like maybe there's not space for me in that industry, or in my local area. And we always talk about or how do we uncover your point of difference? What sets you apart from other people in your industry or local area, or, you know, and we talked about the tangible stuff, but the thing that's most powerful, the biggest differentiator is always the person, the individual, the person running the business, and that is what people are drawn to is actually the values and the, the why and the purpose. And that comes from the business owner. And once we've uncovered that, and there's that light bulb moment of Ah, okay, yeah. All right. So, you know, that makes sense, then the next hurdle is always met with fear, because it's more now I have to really show myself I have to be really, really be seen. And that's not always easy. And I think it's always a work in progress. But when you are helping, and you're supporting business owners, or you know, within the corporate environment, or you work a lot in that corporate space, that imposter syndrome, and that self criticism and self doubt, it's pretty huge, right? So where can people start if they want to change the narrative that's in their own head, that, you know, in becoming more aware of the negative self talk, but also in changing that self talk to be more of coming from a place of self kindness and self acceptance and leaning into your strengths as a business owner? How do you start that practice?
Sophie
Look, that's that's a really big question.
Donna Hann
It's huge.
Sophie
I love it. But it's been the and I love that though. I love that you're even bringing this topic up, because I think we so we were so often listening to people talk about impostor syndrome and fear and all my, you know, oh, my gosh, how am I going to do this? Or when, when you dig into what's behind those feelings? So for me, it's, again, it's been a journey of peeling back the layers of what, what am I here to do? What am I here to create? Why am I doing it? Who am I serving, and what is the long term likelihood of, you know, other people being helped by what I'm putting out into the world. The things that I use, as I guess, my more of my North Star when it comes to staying grounded in my purpose, and my wife and my passion, because it is quite easy to get caught up in, you know, the next shiny thing and you know, you go onto social media, and you think that everybody's got everything together, and they've got all their ducks in a row. I mean, mine are normally swimming around one legged in a circle, but you, you know, I just, I just make sure that if I am putting something out into the world, that what I'm putting out is absolutely aligned and authentic to who I am. And in line with what I want to create to be able to serve other people. So when I have those moments, and I do still have them, I don't think as a human, you will ever lose the fear? No, I don't think that you will ever lose comparison itis or whatever they want to call it. I don't think that ever goes away.
Donna Hann
No protection mode, right? Isn't it? It keeps us safe as humans. So it's got to be there.
Sophie
Well, we want to fit in with the crowd. You know, we're wired to fit in with the crowd to not stand out because it's kept us safe from a biological perspective. So yes, standing out from the crowd and also if you've had anything happened when you're younger, you know any bullying or anything in workplaces where you've been uncomfortable or you've said something and then you've been shut down, you know, you don't feel psychologically safe. That all plays into it as well. And so I feel like the first step is accepting that it will never not be there. And then putting practices in place that help you to reduce the impact that it has on you as you go on your journey. So some of the things that have really helped me have been meditation and mindfulness. So really living in the moment, so because I have anxiety, I know what modalities will help me because I can often get right up in my head and start going, oh, gosh, this is you know, and then catastrophize. And then the world, you know, the chicken, little the sky is falling in kind of thing. And so I've had to bring practices into my life that ground me. And when you're in your own space, and you're being mindful about what you are doing, what you're putting out in the world, how you're showing up, that then brings you back into your space in your own energy, rather than being out amongst, you know, looking at what everyone else is doing, rather than focusing on your own stuff. So that's been a big thing.
Sophie
I mentioned before community, so for me connections, one of my top five core values.
Donna Hann
Yeah, me to.
Sophie
That's why we met. And connection really, for me has multiple multi levels. So connection with people who really have my back. So I've got my ride or die best friend, I literally have one. Really, really real best friend. I think Brene Brown calls them your burial buddy friend, I don't know if no one knows about that. Just go and google it. It's not actually as dodgy as it sounds. But basically, that person just has your back nowhere, no matter what. And so on those days where I felt fearful, or I felt like I'm not enough, or I felt like I can't keep doing it. Because there are days in business where you just go, this is all too hard. I'm just gonna go work for someone else again, like it happens, no matter how successful I think you just go. I'm out. You know, I really it's just easier to work for someone else. But then you come back to your wine you go actually, no, it's not what I wanted to back to Philly now than a coffee and you'll be fine. But you know, there's, there's having that real, that person who actually keeps you accountable for your own feelings and your own stories that you tell yourself. So that's been a really important thing for me. But bringing a community of light hearted, I call them light hearted, because I love to connect heart to heart with people, but like hearted like minded humans, and whether that's in a community like yours, where you have other entrepreneurs and business owners, who you can actually be super vulnerable with and really real wait and lay yourself out and go. I'm really not coping. I'm not having a great day. I'm so lost actually don't know. I don't know what to do here. What's your advice, or you just need someone to go actually, you've got this, you're amazing. You can so do this. And so for me, having connection, and having mindfulness and meditation have been two huge things that have actually then just brought me back and grounded me back into my purpose and my why.
Donna Hann
Yeah, so important so so important. For me, I know that when I do take the time to meditate, and for me meditating is struggle with it a little bit. For me, the best I can, you know, when I feel good as I'm just sort of lying there, and I'll usually like have one of my crystals and just open on my heart or like just hear can't remember what that are
Sophie
in the solar plexus.
Donna Hann
Yeah that's word, yeah, and I just kind of live and breathe and just kind of like, think about really positive things. And, you know, rather than affirmations, and for me this, that's my meditation, and I know it's different for different people. But that is one thing that I know, I need to make more of a ritual in my day, rather than just Oh, I haven't done that for a while I better do that, you know.
Sophie
And feel feeling guilty for not doing it. You know, I think even if it is a couple of minutes of deep breathing, and deep belly breaths until you just go right. Okay, I'm grounded again, is what I'm is what I'm thinking this story like real? Or is it a story that I'm exactly, you know that I can't do it? Well, why can't I do it? Well, I've managed What? What? You could even do a gap analysis on that, if you want to get back to it. What are the things I've been successful at? What are the things that you know, I've set my mind to and I've achieved and really just touching point with all your successes as well.
Donna Hann
Yeah, so important that you bring some light to that as well, because I think that we don't celebrate our successes enough as business owners. It's always like, yep, that's done. What's next? What's next? What's next. Now we don't necessarily hold space for ourselves to celebrate the the achievements, even if they're just tiny things like it's still an achievement, which is where the community and that connection is so important, again, because you have people to celebrate with who get it. Whereas I think friends and family who maybe don't run a business don't necessarily understand how, like incredible it feels when you do something that works and you you know, you have this big surge of excitement, you want to share that and you share it with somebody else and they go oh, that's really great. Yeah, I could just tell that you know, get it, I can just sit by your face. And then you decide, Oh, that's good. Yeah, no, it's more than that.
Donna Hann
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Donna Hann
The next level, I guess, once you're, you're in your business, and you want to grow and scale your business, often it's like, well, I can't do it alone, I need to look for some team members to come on board. And then what can sometimes happen is that you want to, I guess you have to be the boss and direct people and make sure that things are running inside your business the way that you want them to. But sometimes making the shift from being a solopreneur to a team leader is not always easy. And I know that you work a lot in the space of teams in the corporate space as well. And I have experienced in years gone by working in corporate and working for teams where culture or my goodness, culture is so so so important. And you are the keeper of the culture as the business leader. And so what tips would you give for kind of handling that sort of shift in your mind from going from solopreneur to team leader? And how do you do it in such a way that you really inspire and lead your team with kindness without also putting yourself into a position where people walk all over you?
Sophie
Oh, I love that. You're asking such big questions. And I know they are eating and eating them up. I love this. Yeah, so I have often supported young leaders who are stepping up into there. So from a workplace perspective, and then I'll talk about from a business point solopreneur position, stepping up from what you're up leveling out. Yeah, you're not only up leveling your skill set, but you're up leveling your energy, and what you're putting out into the world. And so, if you, I think it's very, I mean, we've all worked for people and worked under people who are exceptionally good technically, and yet are not inspirational or inspiring leaders, not everybody is born to lead a team doesn't mean you can't be taught, if you are open to it, and you want to create a successful business where you can lead otherwise, if you're not interested in that, then bringing someone else in on the side to be able to support you to do that. The hard thing, and I guess the balance is when you when you are a business owner, the financials of bringing somebody else on, you know, there's that there's that real balance. And I and I speak to a lot of people who are in my mentoring groups who I work with, when you are trying to make the decision of I'm going to step up and hire someone to help me with my business. But it means that I'm going to be taking less money in, I'm going to have probably more responsibility. But I also need to give up some of my responsibility. And I have to trust that this person is going to produce and have the output and treat my clients or support my clients the way that I would personally.
Sophie
So So really, if it's getting clear in your mind, I believe and that's other people might have a different opinion. But really getting clear about having very specific and probably coming from an HR background. It's me like if it's not written, it's not done. And so making sure that there is a very clear definition between the roles. So what I have heard, and I've not experienced it myself, but what I have seen with other people is the business owner has gone oh my gosh, I'm I'm booming, I've got enough income coming in to be able to bring on another person. And yet they then still try to do the work. And they get involved in the work that the person they brought on to do is meant to be doing. And that can often cause a lot of friction because the person who owns the business goes Oh, well I you know, I'm not sure if you I'm not ready to let go and I'm not sure if you're doing the job that I'd be doing and I'm not in that job and then the person down here is going we've heard wouldn't be to do this job and you're not letting me do it. Yeah. So I think when, when it comes to changing your mindset around, you know, are you ready to take on or when you do take on one to 5, 10 however many employees you take on, it's being prepared to lead the team from a place of vulnerability and trust. So really having a definition for what does our team look like when it works together cohesively? What do I need for my business to run smoothly, profitably, you know, and follow the purpose of what I want to happen in the world. And then making sure that the people in the roles that you've brought on firstly, match those values. Because if you don't have a values match with those people, you're not going to, you might have different skill sets. But if you've got really, you know, values that bump up against each other, it's never going to work. Not gonna work.
Sophie
But then also, I think, having having the willingness to own up to your problems, own up to any mistakes that also not be a friend. And this is probably a really hard thing in business, particularly if it's you and just one other person you bring on. Yes. Because you will often bring that other person on and go, I really like you. And you're amazing. And you're helping me so much. And this is just so good. But when you were saying about how do you not let that those people who you bring on walk all over you, that's your responsibility as the business owner, to actually have those boundaries in place around, I'm I'm going to be clear and kind about what I need. So my expectations and being clear from the beginning. So your job role is ABCDE. My job role is ABCD. Over here, we may meet in the middle to discuss X, Y, Zed, but I trust you to go and do this work for me. And then being able to step away from that, but also being boundaried that when this person because they will come to you going, I don't know how to do this, or can you do this for me, you can support them, and you can lead them but don't do the job for them. Because that's what you've hired them to do. And so I think having that really clear boundary around, we're not family, and people may go on this not right so I can't I don't agree with her. But I have seen so many relationships in business and in workplaces go wrong. Because people blur the lines between, you know, work and family. And I think if you if you are a person who's not able to set boundaries really strongly and clearly and appropriately, then you need to be aware that potentially you can't socialize with the person as much or get really involved in their life. Because that will then people will then start maybe stepping into places emotionally that they you know, they don't need to or they shouldn't have to. And I don't mean being a robot. Yeah, it means being. I just mean having that clear working relationship. And if you want to be friends outside of it, but then you don't discuss work. Yeah, work comes into it.
Donna Hann
Yeah, it's really tricky. And I think it's really tricky, particularly for small business owners, because you have a really small team, and you become so close in their ways, like they know, your business at such a deep level. And, you know, it's hard not to kind of get to know them on a personal level. Because it's, you know, there's less people to socialize with. It's just not socialized at your workplace, you know. So it is really tricky. And I've been on both sides of that where I've had an amazing team, it didn't realize that I was getting too close. And then things happened. And then you kind of take the step back and the team are like, whoa, you really changed. You pretend to explain like, well, this is the reason why, you know, and it's tricky. Oh, my goodness, is probably the hardest part of I feel of running a business is people management. That's so tricky.
Sophie
And I feel that COVID has made it extra tricky, because people are now starting to not only ask for but expect particular things within workplaces. And that might just just because you're a small business, and you've only got a handful of employees, or your multimillion dollar, you know, huge international global business, people's expectations about how they are going to be treated and what they expect within the workplace has certainly changed post COVID. And I think that that is a huge struggle, even just being part of business networking groups. A lot of people will go online and just in the in the chat and go, like honestly, this is really difficult. This person is not turning up for work, but I know she's having all these personal problems or, you know, how do you then navigate those uncomfortable courageous conversations to actually say, these are my expectations and you're not meeting them, but what can we do to work together to make it work?
Donna Hann
That's the tricky part isn't it? Like when you see a work colleague or an employee that is having a tough time? It's about how do you stop thought them, without enabling behaviors that are impacting negatively on the business, that's so tricky.
Sophie
And clarity, I think clarity is a really good way through that. And it's it's never going to be a comfortable journey. I don't think having those those conversations because it means that people need to actually, and some people might not actually even want to be really upfront and honest about what's happening, even though you might know something's happening. But just, I guess, staying true to your own values that you would work to in your own business, and then holding other people to account and just being empathetic, but not being sympathetic and being walked all over. Because at the end of the day, you still have a business to run. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it is. It's look, it's a it's a fine line. And I think that's why a lot of people, you know, particularly in small businesses can find it difficult to do the people management, because in large organizations, you have someone like me to have those conversations, we get well practiced at it. And so, for the first time, when you come out as an HR graduate, yeah, having those difficult conversations is super, super hard. But the more you practice, the better you get, but being a small business, and then maybe it's it's, you know, if you are having those problems, is bringing a mentor on for you who can even roleplay some of those difficult conversations before you have them.
Donna Hann
Absolutely, yeah. And it just brings it back again, to having the right people around you, to support you on your business journey, whether that be a mentor, or a coach, or someone like that, that has been through it before and maybe has some strategies or some techniques that can share with you and like you said, roleplay bouncing different ideas, how's this gonna play out? I think that that can get you out of your head, as well. And really working from still a place of kind heartedness fun. At the end of the day, we're running a business. And that's the thing I think that we need to remember is, yes, we can be kind and we can support our employees and make sure that they're getting everything that they need. But we also need to make sure that in return the business is getting what it needs to thrive and succeed. Exactly.
Sophie
And separating yourself out Just on that point. When you move from you are the business to you being in the business. I think that's a shift. It's a mindset shift as well for a business owner, because when you're putting yourself like me, for instance, I don't have any staff I just I am me, and I do my stuff. The mindset shift of eventually when I will have that happened, stepping back and not being it all. Yes. Is the mindset shift.
Donna Hann
Yeah, 100%. There's so much stuff we could keep doing that we get to have you we get to continue this conversation because you're joining me as a guest masterclass expert inside my new membership, sorry to success, which I haven't actually spoken about. I don't even know if I've spoken about it at all yet on the podcast, because it's so new and fresh. So yeah, so I can't just drop that and then not explain what it is.
Sophie
People hanging and then they can come back for the next episode to find out.
Donna Hann
So it's a membership that I've created very recently for anyone who has graduated through the ready to raise program or who feels that they don't necessarily need to be in the retries program, but they're really ready to level up their business. And so it's a mix of business and mindset, masterclasses as well as online networking opportunities, 90 day planning sessions. That's what I do in there. There's a lot like there's so much that I've just having a mental blank, because they're going to kind of go into it today. But anyway, you're one of the guest experts who are coming in to deliver a masterclass all around mindset and managing that impostor syndrome, that negative self talk that self belief that sometimes it really cut us we cut ourselves down with as business owners, and how do we re program our minds, I guess, in a way to show up with courage and self belief and really go after the things that we want and back ourselves. And so I'm excited that you're going to be presenting on there. So it feels good. So yeah, I think we're running out of time. So we kind of need to wrap this up. But I could talk to you forever on this kind of stuff. But if people would like to explore more of what you do discover you on socials when's the best way that they can do that.
Sophie
Couple of places. I'm really active on LinkedIn. So it's my favorite platform in the whole world. And a lot of business owners think that they're not again are for, they don't have anything to say that they could possibly share on LinkedIn. But I guarantee you LinkedIn is the place to be even if you are a solopreneur. It's an amazing space. So LinkedIn just under my name, so feel free to hunt me down connected. Yeah, I love connecting, Instagram. So under mettaleaders, so METTA. Leaders all one word on there, and then my website. So just mettaleaders.com. So and always open to connect and chat and here to help if someone needs some assistance with anything.
Donna Hann
Awesome. Well, thanks so much for sharing all of your insights and tips. And just yeah. There's just so much vibe that I get from speaking with you. And if you go and check stuff out on Instagram or on LinkedIn, you'll feel it like you just I don't know, I don't even know how to explain the energy. Yeah, that's great energy. I love it. So I've really enjoyed having this chat with you. Thank you for your time. And I look forward to speaking with you again soon either on the podcast or definitely in April when you're inside the membership.
Sophie
Thanks, Donna. It's been an absolute pleasure. I just yeah, it's been lovely chatting to you. So I look forward to the masterclass, yay! Awesome. Thanks Soph.
Donna Hann
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