Speaker 1 0:02
This is the she's in business podcast, where every week I'll explore topics and have real conversations around what it's like to run a regional business, the advantages and the unique challenges. I'm Donna Hann, a seasoned regional business owner, and certified high performance business coach. I'm here to make training and professional development easily accessible for regional business women everywhere. So join me and guest experts as we share tools and insights to elevate your business, boost your mindset, and ensure that you never feel alone on this journey. No matter where you live. I'm fired up and I'm here to educate you on what it truly takes to grow your business and your mindset beyond what you thought possible. From a young age, Josephine had to make her way into the world. She went from begging for food stamps to successfully creating a multi six figure, creative arts and entertainment business, fueled by passion, joy, and commitment. And after a whirlwind career as an artist that saw her perform on a multitude of stages and TV screens for over a decade, Josephine leaped into the world of business, talent and entertainment management, studio ownership and motherhood. And she hasn't looked back since. Now, Josephine coaches, creative business owners and speaks across stages and screens worldwide. And today, on the shoes and business podcast, she is going to chat to us about coming into your own zone of genius with confidence, and how to tap into that and how to stand out from a crowded market. So welcome to the podcast, Joe. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to have you as a guest today, we have lots in common already. We both come from a performing arts background, and I've own a dance studio, you own a performing art studio. And now we're both supporting and coaching business owners to be successful. So I'm really excited to have you on today. I would love for you to share with us, I've given our listeners a little bit of an intro to your background. But I would love for you to share with us what drives you in wanting to share what you know, with other women in business so generously.
Speaker 2 2:23
Honestly, I feel as though the reason I've come to this place of wanting to share what I know. And my experience is because I spent many years bootstrapping, and really in the trenches of my business, and I I truly believe that if I had tapped into mentorship, early on in my journey, I probably could have saved myself heartache and money. And just a lot of floundering and not for the not floundering, as in I was committed, I was really going for it didn't have anyone to look up to. And so it was hard, because I felt like I was very much on my own. So I want to provide a space where, you know, other business owners and other women in business can really not feel alone, I want them to feel supported and know that there could be an easier way. And sometimes it's just knowing that there is another way. So that's why I'm here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 3:39
And I wholeheartedly stand by those very same principles in in the work that I do as well. Same sort of journey, you know, found myself completely overwhelmed and just exhausted by, you know, running the business, having the kids and you know, being in a regional area very hard to sometimes access support in that space. And so, yeah, it's very similar. You know, drive behind why we do what we do. And I love to share that because I think it's equally important that we know, and really sit with our zone of genius, which is what we're going to talk about as well, but also really important that as a business owner, we know our why the reason why we're so passionate about what we do. And so, yeah, I just was interested to get your spin on that as well. But let's jump in and discuss coming into your zone of genius with confidence. So tell me, first of all, what exactly is your zone of genius? What's your definition? And why is it so important for us to identify that and tap into it as opposed to I guess, you know, what's the difference between that zone of genius versus just being skilled or competent at something? Yeah,
Speaker 2 4:59
and And I do want to just say straight off the bat that you know zone of genius can sound really buzzwords, those, it's one of those words that are what was like, pivot or authenticity. And you know, but really, when we talk about zone of genius, we're just talking about what feels effortless to you. And that's really what it is. It's about being in true alignment with what you're, what you're giving what you're doing, what you're developing. So yeah, it's beyond skills, because we can be really good at a bunch of things, but it doesn't necessarily align with us or feel effortless. So I'm good at a few things that I believe me that I would not call my zone of genius. For example, recently, I made a decision in my studio business, were looking, you know, it's a very expensive time in the world. We've got inflation costs, and all of those things rising, and I thought, You know what, I could save some money here if I costume, my next production. Now, this is not my zone of genius costuming. I did it. I got compliments on the costuming, but I will never do it again. It was painful. And this is what I mean, I, I can costume a show, I've got enough experience expertise. I've seen it happen enough with the costume directors I've hired. And sure I can do that job. But that job is not aligned. To me, it was very stressful. It wasn't fun. Not for a minute, I was dreading the fact that I'd made that decision. So even though it saved me money. I knew by the end of it, that I stepped out of my genius zone. And I just don't want to do that. Again, I think I've come to that point where I, I feel like I've evolved past that. And yes, there are times when we must do things that are not aligned to us that aren't comfortable, especially in business. Yeah, we can always do the joy, we can always work in the joy in the joy of our business. But we can definitely make choices. For me personally, my you know, look, my zone of genius is definitely when it comes to creating concepts programming. So I love creating programs and experiences for people. That is something that I'm very good at. I'm a bit of a disrupter when it comes to that in that space. And, and, you know, I've always been naturally inclined to develop new ideas and concepts. And when I talk about programs, I talk about workshops, events, courses, things that people may not typically do. And I can share that with my community. And I love sharing these unique ideas and concepts, because I'm happy for others to replicate them. Absolutely. Just because I've created a concept or idea doesn't mean I have to then facilitate it. So that's the other part that I've learned as well. So my genius zone may sometimes be creating a concept. But maybe I'm not the best person to deliver that concept sometimes. But sometimes I'm not. And I think being able to identify that is a really important part of this process as well. Because just because we made it, you know, doesn't mean we then have to facilitate it. So that that's a really big part of that journey as well, when you come to clarifying where you do sit in your genius.
Speaker 1 8:47
Yeah, absolutely. And when I help my clients with this kind of stuff, as well, I'm always actually I was on a private coaching call yesterday. And the business owner that I was working with is in that transition where she's looking to sell her current business, because it doesn't align to her anymore, right? So she's realized that it doesn't light her up the way that it used to. It's now starting to kind of like strip her of her energy and she's ready for a shift and a change. And so in going through the process of helping her to work through all of the steps to prepare your business for sale. The next is then going okay, but what do you want next? Like what's the next thing for you? And how do we how do we design the business and design the lifestyle that has you working in that beautiful zone of genius? Where you're enjoying it where you're showing up to work every day and you're like yes, this is what I this is what I want to do. So we actually went through and like stripped apart her current business. What do you love about it? What don't you love about it? What could you sit and do all day? You know, what is that thing that's as you say, effortless Joe that you're like I I could just absolutely lose myself in this for hours, look up at the clock and realize how much time has passed. But also, I think for me when helping clients work through this kind of stuff, it's also asking what are other people say about you? So what are you known for? That if someone was to say, oh, Joe is really good at XYZ, like, what is it that they say about you? And that I think is really powerful in starting to discover your zone of genius. If it's something that you're like, Well, I don't know what I don't know what my zone of genius is. I just do what I do. Do you have any other tips around identifying and clarifying? Streatley?
Speaker 2 10:41
Absolutely. Because I think the first step is what you just said, it's really identifying it. So you know, what work? I you know, do I truly enjoy it. So what work do you do? That doesn't seem like work? That's what you first need to identify. And it can be a simple thing. I, when I first started working through this process, I actually just started writing down everything I did. And whether I liked it or didn't like it, whatever. I just wrote a list. And I said, Okay, what do I do? Yeah, then once I started writing that list, I then started to break it up. And then I thought, okay, out of those things that I do, what are the things that you know, I could I absolutely love doing so what are the things that are aligned to me? What truly lights me up? What do I enjoy? You know, you can start highlighting them off? Yeah. And then you can start looking at all the other things that don't light you up, and then you have to go, okay, are these things that I need to continue doing? And some of them will be, there are some things that you're going to have to keep, right?
Speaker 1 11:47
That's just the nature of business, right? Like, always things that we have to do that we don't want to do, but it keeps our business operating?
Speaker 2 11:55
Correct. And but there are certain things that are on that list, when you create that list, like, you know, what do I do? Great highlighting, what do I enjoy? What lights me up? And then all those things that aren't highlighted? You can start going right? Can I eliminate it? And I delegate it? Can I outsource it? So, you know, these are the questions that we can start asking ourselves when it comes to getting closer to working within that genius zone. And again, like you said, it's not going to be 100%. But if we can get 80%. You know, that's, that's phenomenal. So that's definitely the first step I would say is identifying what truly lights you up. I guess the second part would really be you know, you need to ask yourself in your work, what produces that highest level of abundance and satisfaction compared to the time spent? So we need to then start, you know, acquainting our time and the value of our time. Yes, that's a really important part of the process, too, because we can sometimes spend, you know, so much time on a particular task. And I guess we need to ask ourselves, if I'm spending 80% of my time on this, is it satisfying is it valuable? Like, that's a really big question as well to ask
Speaker 1 13:17
us. And I think also, if I can add to that joke, because I think that's a very, very, it's such a great point that you raise is also that what we're spending our time on, whilst we may love it and enjoy it. And I think that's really important. But it also needs to be something that either adds value to your business in a way that brings you revenue, or improves the customer experience so that you're retaining those customers, and you're building that, you know, really high reputation in your ear in your area. And I think that's also something really important to make sure as part of the recipe, because what I have seen business owners do in the past is be so involved in the stuff that they love, which is great. So it's really satisfying and enjoyable, yet their business isn't profitable, because they haven't monetized that zone of genius. So I think that's the other thing to be mindful of with all of this as well as you're listening is that you know, the things that you love and you enjoy, it's also important to make sure that you do a bit of a feasibility study that the things that you love and enjoy are also the things that are going to be bring revenue into your business. Otherwise, what you're really doing is creating an enjoyable hobby for yourself, which is fine, like if that's what you want to do. That's amazing. But if you actually want to turn revenue and profit from your business, make sure that whilst you're doing the activities that you love, and you're in your zone of genius that has a return to the business and if it's not a financial return to the business, then it needs to be something that adds value to your clients and customers so that you retain them and therefore your revenue comes in other ways.
Speaker 2 15:02
Absolutely. And that's why I do I do mention value because value is a huge thing. And like you said, it's not like yes, it's, it can be in customer love. It can be money. But it absolutely has to be something that does your business has to be profitable at the end of the day. And so, you know, if I only did what I loved, believe me, because I'm a creative. Yeah, no, I just be singing and presenting. Like a true artist, I do half of what I do for free. Yeah, that's actually part of the challenge, to be honest, being in the creative arts and, and that sort of industry, especially with a lot of my coaching clients being a performing arts business coach, I see a lot of my clients struggling with the financial and because they live too far in their genius zone, all they have to do is dance or teach dance or choreograph. So they don't chase bad debtors. They don't follow through with, you know, people's payment plans. They don't do the things that must be done. Yes. So you know, it is a balance. But I do believe it is possible to, you know, have a really abundant business. If you are at least you know that that 80% And your genius.
Speaker 1 16:31
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Speaker 2 19:04
The third point I want to make as well is that you know, knowing yourself and backing yourself is a really big part of this equation. And sometimes we don't know ourselves until we've done all the things. So I have done all the things.
Unknown Speaker 19:23
Yes, I
Speaker 2 19:26
have done all the things. I really can say that all heartedly. I've worked in so many different areas. I mean, I have to admit a lot of it has been in the arts. It's still very multifaceted. Everything from you know, gosh, running a party to touring a music act to managing artists to you know, choreographing a show to then coaching studio owners but really, at the end of the day, knowing yourself is so important like and we Still trip up. And we have those moments like I said to you i costume to show recently. Yeah, I wouldn't call it a trip up. It was a financial decision. I saved $3,000. And, and I thought, you know, that's $3,000 that I could save. If I did it myself. Now, it did sink a lot of time. So, again, would I do it again? Probably not. And that's okay. I don't regret the decision I made I saved $3,000. But yes, I you know, it's one of those things about knowing yourself. And even then I thought that I would enjoy it. And I quickly remembered as soon as the process done, then I don't enjoy costuming at all. Yeah, yeah. And I never want to do it again. But I saved some money, right. So save
Speaker 1 20:49
some money. And you know, the other value there in that as well, Joe's because like, I have myself also costumed lots of shows in my career as a dance studio owner, previously, my previous business. And in doing the process yourself, yes, you've saved some money. But what you've also done is documented a process that then you can pass on to a staff member. And they can do that for you, the business still saves $3,000. But it also means that you are empowering and upskilling your staff. And it also means that you're creating value within your business by creating your processes and procedures. So if you ever did want to come to sell your business in the future, that's part of the value is that you're building, almost like a manual and operating manual, which is really great. So you know, these things that we do, to your point of like, yes, work in your zone of genius, but sometimes, we can't always do that there's other jobs that we need to do. But if you document them, if you do them as the business owner, you document it, you work out the kinks, that thing becomes something, as you said earlier, you can delegate. And that's the beauty in it, I reckon in, in throwing yourself in the mix and rolling up your sleeves and doing the stuff that you don't like to do, then you can outsource it. The other thing too, which I think is what you were referring to, at the beginning of this point is, as the business owner, we should be doing the kind of tasks that are a high level of return to the business, not necessarily the tasks that, you know, I, you know, $10 tasks, $20 tasks. So this is one of those things that once you've got the processes in place in place, you can start to outsource to other staff members, if you're lucky enough to have a team on board. So yeah,
Speaker 2 22:46
and I actually did, I actually did funnily enough, create a little new system when I was doing it myself. Because I've always had a costume director within my business. But then when I did it myself, I thought actually, it probably would work a little bit better if I, you know, because we do hire costume. So it was the way the system in which I bagged them and labeled them for reuse. And I came up with this cool system and thought, oh, that actually worked really, really well. So yes, you do. Learn some things. When you roll up your sleeves, when you haven't done it for a few years, you know, you get back in your ways you let the team manage it. And then you're like, oh, actually, there's a more efficient way of doing this. So that is something that I did pick up this lengthly ago, that was a good one. But look, honestly, the key is as well. And I do want to make a point of this is that you do need to create a plan of action to step into this genius zone, you don't just go wake up one day and go, I'm gonna do all the things I love. And that's it. It doesn't fall on your lap. It's an intentional decision, and take strategy and thought and planning. Like I said, even just starting with that list and just saying what do I even do? You'll be surprised. I mean, I have my org chart that I stick on my wall of the things that the functions in my business. And most of the people that most of these roles that are in my org chart, I mean they are, look, there's two sides to it for my coaching business. It's very much me. I am predominantly the person that operates that business with some outsourced help. versus my you know, my musical Makers Club which is my performing arts studio that is like I've got teachers I've got admin assistants, I've got costumers I've got all of these people around me. So yeah, that that org chart is quite big. I mean, I'm looking at it right now on my wall everything from logistics, creative administration, marketing, you know, Chief Financial Officer
Speaker 1 24:59
Yeah, we do all the things we were all of that all the
Speaker 2 25:03
things, you know. So being able to create a plan to step into that. And this is something that I even teach some of my coaching clients to that are trying to transition out of teaching, for example, in the classroom,
Speaker 1 25:15
which is big. I remember going through that transition. It's massive. Yeah,
Speaker 2 25:19
it's massive. So a lot of studio owners want to transition out of teaching and really just have more of a bird's eye view on their business. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 25:26
and manage to help grow.
Speaker 2 25:29
But that again, that's that that's so that they can step into that they're evolved gent zone of genius, right? Yes. Maybe teaching used to be? Yeah. And now they're seeing themselves in a very different role. And that's okay, too. But having a plan to move into that new space is really important, you know? Yeah,
Speaker 1 25:50
I agree. Yeah, it is absolutely part of the process, both in the experience that I had in transitioning out of teaching in my studio, because I think at some point in most studio owners careers, they're the person that teaches every class, right, that's how you start out. And then there's the, as you say, the transition to go for my business to grow. And for me to effectively support my staff, I need to manage the business because otherwise the business starts managing you and your lifestyle. So this is something that I've lived and breathed. And also, in working with a few of my clients who are studio owners, in helping them to make that transition as well. One of the things that sometimes they need to work with with those clients is owning their role. So as a business owner, we have a responsibility to own our role. And sometimes that means actually stepping out of the role of the teacher, and stepping up and into the role of the CEO. And that takes, as you say, management, it's changed management effectively, in educating our clients, our students, their parents, the families, that you're not the person that's going to be running those classes anymore, it doesn't mean the classes aren't going to be just as good, if not better, right? When somebody else's taping
Unknown Speaker 27:14
about to be on? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 27:17
So and it's, it's helping them to change their expectations, or at least, like manage their expectations that things are going to be great if not better. And it means that as the studio owner or the business owner, and this is relevant to anyone in business, right, we're talking about studio owners right now. But this could be in any kind of business, you don't have to be the one that's making the things or delivering the service, right? When you step up and go above that, you actually, as you say, get that bird's eye view and become far more effective. The other thing that sometimes comes with that, though, is we're stepping out of our comfort zone. We're stretching ourselves beyond what we're used to write. And with that comes self doubt, and impostor syndrome, in stretching ourselves beyond the role that we've been so used to doing and being What's your viewpoint on that? And, you know, in regards to also, I guess this is like a secondary question, but as a business as a whole, in that impostor syndrome that sometimes comes in, in standing out and embracing that uniqueness that we have. Yeah, what sort of strategies and mindset shifts? Do you support your clients we've to really, like overcome those internal barriers and really embrace that zone of genius, and stretch beyond what they're so used to doing.
Speaker 2 28:46
So I think impostor syndrome is again, one of those really the buzz saying, Yeah, I love it. Yeah. But they're there for a reason, right? Because we all feel it. And we all feel it at one point or another. I specially actually, this is a story I've shared before. But when I first started being a talent agent, so I have my performing arts studio, I've got an in house talent agency. And that's what I teach in my talent manager bootcamp course, how to go from Studio and to talent manager. So I'm very confident about that now, but when I first started doing it for my own self, about a decade ago, I felt like an absolute fraud. I really did. Even though I had the skills, the ability, the passion, all of it. I just felt like the biggest impulse I thought, Who am I to represent talent who am I to put them forward for these opportunities in television and on stage? It just felt really outside of my comfort zone. And I think the biggest thing was the fear of being judged by others. So it was more I felt like an impostor because I was afraid of feeling as though I wasn't good enough, or perceived good enough by the outside looking in. And I remember this one time, and this was during this was actually during the very beginnings of COVID. You know, we were working on the couch, in our pajamas, and still do, right. But you know, I was submitting one of my students at the time for a role with Hugh Jackman. And I remember that moment, and I'm sitting in my PJs, on my laptop on my couch, a little old me just had that, you know, when you have that moment where you stop yourself in your tracks, and you're very much in the moment and you go, Wow, I'm seeing someone for a row with Hugh Jackman. This is just a job. I'm just doing a job. And there's nothing. And I say this with all respect to myself, there's nothing extra special about me that it's just, it's just a role that I play. And I knew then, and I'd known it for a while. But I guess that's when it really hit me that, you know, that was my moment of imposter syndrome be gone. Because we are all just people moving through this process. This job this life, we're all just doing it and we're doing the best we can. And I think women especially have a higher level of impostor syndrome. You know, we feel like we have to be 100% ready before we dive in. Whereas, you know, men, you know, it might only be 60% or 70%. Ready before they say, Yep, I'll do it. I can do it. And, and I just remind my clients have that eye, you know that sometimes it's okay. To be 80%. There. Yeah. It's okay to dive in when you're not 100% Ready, because you're not going to ever be 100% Ready, unless you have experience? Yes, give it a go. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of failure. And I say failure really loosely. It's all just learning, right? But I always just say that I go look, if you're feeling 80% Ready, then it's time to jump in. Because you're going to get to the 100% by doing the do so and that's really scary. But it's necessary. Yes. And I think we do we regret the things that we haven't done more than the things we've done, I truly believe. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 32:39
Yeah, I agree to that whole the, the holding yourself back for fear of failure. I always flip that and go, but what's the lessons I could learn? You know, what did I learn from this? How can I use that in the future to you know, continue to grow and stretch myself? I think it's that that flip of mindset. And the other thing that I think is really important to mention here as well, is that you said the fear of what other people will think right, the fear of judgment of what other people will think. And often like in my work through high performance coaching, what I have also done research into it, like just really kind of lit my brain up is that often it's not the fear of the situation. So it's not situational impact that we're worried about? It's relational impact. So instead of us you know, when you really think about it, yes, you might be like, scared of standing on stage and, and speaking, or you might be feeling some fear around putting your prices up, right. And that's the situation is that you're going to put the prices up, that's the thing you're doing. It's not always that that scares us. It's the relational change, or the judgment that scares us. So relational as in will now my clients might not want to buy from me, they might not like me anymore, or who am I to put my value up? Because people will be thinking Who the hell's you know, who the heck is she? Yeah, you're so excited or whatever. Yeah. So it's an interesting flip when you realize that and if there's something that, you know, if you're listening to this, and you're like, there's something that's holding me back because a roadblock that I need to really address because I know my business won't grow and I won't be as profitable and all those things, then pick it apart. And instead of thinking about the thing holding you back as a situational thing, unpick the relational part of it, because if you can free yourself from that, and instead of coming at it from a voice of judgment in what would they think and that little nasty voice in your head that can be so freaking loud sometimes, and instead put that voice of wisdom on that goes, well, hold on a minute. Let's look at my part. past experience, all of the things that I've done, my entire life has come with some level of risk. And yet, I took the risk and look where I am, you know, even starting from if we go way back to when we were babies, like the risk in taking that first step is that you're going to fall over and potentially hurt yourself. But we'd get up and do it and look at us walking around and running around now, you know, dancing around now. But, and that's the same application to when you are stretching yourself as a business owner, and you're doing things new in your business. And you're leaning into that zone of genius and becoming known for that, and putting yourself out there in the world and saying, I'm this person, and I do this, and I can help you in this way. That is declaring to the world who you are in your zone of genius. But, you know, there's, I think if the mindset flip is that, but I if I look at the past, if I learned from my experiences, and put that voice of wisdom on when the voice of judgment is so loud, that can be what moves you through it. But in wrapping up the podcast today, Joe, is there anything else that you really feel is important to add to our conversation that we haven't already covered? Because we've covered a fair bit today, we've
Speaker 2 36:09
covered a fair bit. Honestly, if you're listening out there, say you can absolutely be successful in this in your zone of excellence in your zone of genius, you've got it within you, you know, just the first step is really just identifying what really truly lights you up and what you're aligned with, and then take it from there. You know, and it can actually take your life, not just your business to the next level. Because when you are feeling fully aligned, when you're finding that joy within your work, then, you know, it's just it's a beautiful thing. It truly is. And that's that's really what I want for people. I just want them to feel good about the work they're doing to really tap into their why and Yeah, and just living in that zone of excellence.
Speaker 1 36:56
Yeah, I love that. And also, you know, being open to evolving through and changing as you grow and develop and that that's okay. It's all part of the entrepreneurial journey.
Speaker 2 37:08
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, and I just want to share as well for everyone listening, if you want to find me, you can find me on Instagram me and Donna hang out there,
Unknown Speaker 37:16
we do finally hang out
Speaker 2 37:20
at Josephine Lancuba, find me there. And then you can see all of the beautiful things that I'm doing within the performing arts space. You know, so everything from my my signature course talent manager bootcamp, which launches again this September, through to you know, so much more producing live content and shows and whatnot. So yeah, love to see them.
Unknown Speaker 37:40
Amazing. Thanks for being on the show. Jo.
Unknown Speaker 37:43
Thank you. That was awesome.
Speaker 1 37:48
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